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You can attack with all your riders at the same time? Team attacks are allowed?


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 Assunto da Mensagem: Re: Chat Topic & Questions
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You can attack with all your riders at the same time? Team attacks are allowed?

How can that be a good tactic?

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You can attack with all your riders at the same time? Team attacks are allowed?

How can that be a good tactic?


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@Evert: "Each player is free to play as they want, according to the game’s possibilities".

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Just to say, that even with IA in easy and passive, that are very strong and they can help you to win.


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 Assunto da Mensagem: Re: Chat Topic & Questions
MensagemEnviado: 30 Abr 2015, 21:28 
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You can attack with all your riders at the same time? Team attacks are allowed?

How can that be a good tactic?


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@Evert: "Each player is free to play as they want, according to the game’s possibilities".

That is a really bad rule. At the moment the leader is in trouble, you teamattack. No chance of getting him back: or you wait and you have to sacrifice your whole team or you go after him and leaf your leader behind. And you sacrifice some helpers. Both ways i am chance-less

I think this rule is a bad and this situation is pretty unfair!


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MensagemEnviado: 30 Abr 2015, 21:31 
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Can I ask people not to post the actual images, only direct links? It really slows the forum down, and it takes a while to load the images.

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 Assunto da Mensagem: Re: Chat Topic & Questions
MensagemEnviado: 01 Mai 2015, 09:31 
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Team attacks shouldn't be allowed, it was never allowed in previous world cups, so why should it be ok now? You know, there are only 50 riders or something if you attack with 6 with only 50km to go, there is no chance the other players can get you back.. I mean, you can attack with 2 or 3, that's no problem, but all of your riders? It doesn't show your abilities as a player, I don't see team sky attack with all of the climbers before the climb starts? Ofcourse it's a bad tactic, but as I said, when you have 3 players in your group and a rider his leader lost lot of energy because of a fall or something it is impossible to get the player back. Everything is good organised this year, but if I where you, I should add the rule, 'no team attacks' it makes the game more fair, and that's something we all want, isn't it?


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MensagemEnviado: 01 Mai 2015, 09:41 
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Passive ai really doesn't work. Ai always influences significantly the race.


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 Assunto da Mensagem: Re: Chat Topic & Questions
MensagemEnviado: 01 Mai 2015, 15:16 
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Team attacks shouldn't be allowed, it was never allowed in previous world cups, so why should it be ok now? You know, there are only 50 riders or something if you attack with 6 with only 50km to go, there is no chance the other players can get you back.. I mean, you can attack with 2 or 3, that's no problem, but all of your riders? It doesn't show your abilities as a player, I don't see team sky attack with all of the climbers before the climb starts? Ofcourse it's a bad tactic, but as I said, when you have 3 players in your group and a rider his leader lost lot of energy because of a fall or something it is impossible to get the player back. Everything is good organised this year, but if I where you, I should add the rule, 'no team attacks' it makes the game more fair, and that's something we all want, isn't it?



1st of all.. You didn't play the second stage, so how do you know what happened?...

2nd - I attacked with 5 riders with 70km remaining, then Evert and Pliox told me that I couldn't attack with all team and I stopped with more than 55km remaining..

3rd - I think it's forbidden to talk in dutch, and all of you did it...

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 Assunto da Mensagem: Re: Chat Topic & Questions
MensagemEnviado: 01 Mai 2015, 15:51 
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How can that be a good tactic?


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@Evert: "Each player is free to play as they want, according to the game’s possibilities".

That is a really bad rule. At the moment the leader is in trouble, you teamattack. No chance of getting him back: or you wait and you have to sacrifice your whole team or you go after him and leaf your leader behind. And you sacrifice some helpers. Both ways i am chance-less

I think this rule is a bad and this situation is pretty unfair!


Well, if your leader is in trouble that's your problem. I'm sure you had other players on your group, other members should've pushed in the peloton since you didn't have your leader there. Team Attack is not a good tactic, you can easily outplay the one who does it, if you are concentrated ofc.

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MensagemEnviado: 01 Mai 2015, 15:59 
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Good would be if those group 14 prints showed up, so we can finish up the points count for the road event, and people could start signing up for the second chance.

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 Assunto da Mensagem: Re: Chat Topic & Questions
MensagemEnviado: 01 Mai 2015, 16:02 
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Team attacks shouldn't be allowed, it was never allowed in previous world cups, so why should it be ok now? You know, there are only 50 riders or something if you attack with 6 with only 50km to go, there is no chance the other players can get you back.. I mean, you can attack with 2 or 3, that's no problem, but all of your riders? It doesn't show your abilities as a player, I don't see team sky attack with all of the climbers before the climb starts? Ofcourse it's a bad tactic, but as I said, when you have 3 players in your group and a rider his leader lost lot of energy because of a fall or something it is impossible to get the player back. Everything is good organised this year, but if I where you, I should add the rule, 'no team attacks' it makes the game more fair, and that's something we all want, isn't it?


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MensagemEnviado: 01 Mai 2015, 16:04 
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Team attacks shouldn't be allowed, it was never allowed in previous world cups, so why should it be ok now? You know, there are only 50 riders or something if you attack with 6 with only 50km to go, there is no chance the other players can get you back.. I mean, you can attack with 2 or 3, that's no problem, but all of your riders? It doesn't show your abilities as a player, I don't see team sky attack with all of the climbers before the climb starts? Ofcourse it's a bad tactic, but as I said, when you have 3 players in your group and a rider his leader lost lot of energy because of a fall or something it is impossible to get the player back. Everything is good organised this year, but if I where you, I should add the rule, 'no team attacks' it makes the game more fair, and that's something we all want, isn't it?



1st of all.. You didn't play the second stage, so how do you know what happened?...

2nd - I attacked with 5 riders with 70km remaining, then Evert and Pliox told me that I couldn't attack with all team and I stopped with more than 55km remaining..

3rd - I think it's forbidden to talk in dutch, and all of you did it...

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Do you mean that you take screens from that little thing when you do stupid teamattacks. =D> Only what they say is that Stijn going to his girlfriend. Are you jealouse or what? :oops:

Only what they want to say is that amattacks not must be allowed. They say nothing about you... Whatever or you where in game or not. I wasn't also ingame in i find it also ridiculous.

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 Assunto da Mensagem: Re: Chat Topic & Questions
MensagemEnviado: 01 Mai 2015, 17:38 
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Your rules for 200m TT are very unclear in my opinion..
We play 3 rounds, that's good. But then I read your notes and nothing makes sense anymore.
Note 1: If two or more players have the same points and the same rounds victories, the one with more 2º places will be declared as the winner.

Do we play with keirin rules in 200m tt? Or is it just everyone's best time over three rounds that counts?

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MensagemEnviado: 01 Mai 2015, 17:42 
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I haven't quite got the team attack question you people keep talking about. This is never obviously a good tactic. In my group, during the first stage, a player tried a similar tactic, and obviously only harmed himself. If we are talking about a 1vs1, I could understand the reasons to complain. Now, in a play 2vs1, 3vs1 or 4vs1, how is this a good tactic? Only if the cyclist's stats of the person who is team attack are better, which with a ladder db, is impossible to happen. So, without knowing what happen, if Hijo's tactic was going to work (until he decided to stop), it was because Evert or Pliox played badly. I apologise, and ask for fair play and ethic to Evert and Pliox, and in case prints of the stages exist, please post it in the topic, so we can open up the signups for the road 2nd chance, and we can't do it until we know who passed on.

@StijnDV, first of all, the fact of things beeing done like last year doesn't mean they're correct. That's a pointless justification. There's plenty of things we thought was a bit out of context, and that could be improved in the WC organized by you guys, the French community or by the Italian community. And certaintly, next year things we failed at will be improved. It's normal, it's the way life works. Now, the race situation that your pointing out as an example rarelly, or never, happens, because if intermediate and mountain sprints count, it will be hard for players to reach with all they're ciclists completelly fresch 50km's away from the finish line. After, the situation of the leader falling and/or puncturing is pretty race, and it usually has more tendency to happen in cobbled stages (as it does in real life). You play this game for more years than I do Stijn, and you know it perfectly that if you're focused and if you pull the pack with a helper, the team attack won't work, and it's because your lead fell that you had less chances of catching the players who did a team attack. And I doubt that he made a team attack with 6 riders and that they were all fresh up until 50km's to the finish line.
In conclusion, if the team attack worked it's because the remaining players played badly in that stage. Therefore, it doesn't make senses for not to allow people to make that stragtegy call, cause if all the players have a good performance, it won't be benefitial for who does them.

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